Expats Like Us
A podcast series exploring life as a U.S. Expat in Mexico. Topics include preparing to move to a new country, navigating your new home and finding your passion as a retiree.
Expats Like Us
Embracing a New Life: Rick Reiling's Journey from American Work to Mexican Bliss in Retirement
Rick Reiling's leap from the American work cycle to the tranquil rhythm of Mexico paints a compelling picture that many of us secretly dream of. In our latest episode, he shares the story of his life post-retirement, allowing us a glimpse into a world where bonds in the expat community and the experience of a new culture promise a new life and a new sense of belonging. As Rick narrates his story, it's not just about the audacity to follow one's dreams, but also the practicalities of settling into a life less ordinary, revealing the surprises and delights that come with calling Mexico home.
Our journey with Rick doesn't stop at the functional aspects of expat living; it also enters into the realm of self-discovery and fulfillment. He recounts his newfound passion for wildlife photography, an art that not only captivates but teaches patience and presence in the lush Mexican jungles. This episode isn't just about relocating geographically; it's an invitation to relocate your soul to a place where life's next chapter is an open road of possibilities, friendship, and the joy of discovery. So, join us as we traverse the stories of those who've traded the familiar for the extraordinary, finding adventure and serenity on the sunlit shores of Mexico.
We are incredibly thankful for engagement and stories from our listeners, who have found their own sense of 'home' across the globe. Stay tuned as we continue to share the wisdom and wanderlust of those who've charted their unique international courses. We'd love to hear your comments and questions. Email them to expatslikeus@gmail.com
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Sometimes if you're walking on the street and you can't quite tell if a place is a restaurant or not, because sometimes they don't have like the big billboards like you might see in the US, and so if you accidentally kind of walked in somebody's living room thinking it was a place to eat, they would just sit you down and serve you like it's no big deal.
Speaker 2:That's more often than not that's what's going to happen. They'll ask you what you want and they'll serve it to you. Welcome to Xpats Like Us. A co-production with Me, vita Margarita, exploring the world of US expat life in Mexico. In each episode, we'll meet new people and hear their stories. We'll also learn more about expat life and get a few tips on everything from making your move to settling in, to living your dreams and, most of all, having fun. Let's dive in. Welcome to Xpats Like Us. I'm Bob Bussie. A couple of the first things my wife and I noticed when we moved to Mexico were, first of all, how easy it is to meet people and to make new friends in an expat heavy community like where we live. I think this is likely has something to do with the common experience so many of us have in coming here and living here. We all experience basically the same processes along the way. We all share somewhat similar experiences, which makes for easy introductions and easy friendships. The next thing we noticed is how most every person has a fascinating story to tell, and learning their way in a new country and building their new life is a common experience for so many of us. My guest today is a friend who we met shortly after arriving in Mexico. We were fairly familiar with some of his work because we had seen these amazing wildlife photographs on social media and we found out that Rick Riling was the guy taking them. We'll get to those in a bit, but first we'll start at the beginning. Hi, rick, welcome to Xpats Like Us.
Speaker 1:Hey Bob, how are you?
Speaker 2:I'm very good. Thanks for coming today.
Speaker 1:You bet.
Speaker 2:Tell me about your life in the US before you moved here.
Speaker 1:Well, bob, my life in the US was probably like a lot of people's I had to work every day and deal with the traffic and just the stress of everyday living. You kind of work for the weekend kind of an attitude. I suppose it feels like I used to say that I just felt like I was always stressed and working and then you had like one day it felt like one day it felt like you had maybe Saturday but then Sunday. You're already thinking I got to go back to work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember that feeling really well from my working career too.
Speaker 1:Exactly so. It was just like that. I've always wanted to retire younger, just because really life is short and I figure. Most people work nowadays until well, basically almost tea or dye. It seems To go with that. I would go to the grocery store and before I got in the car I would look around and see people kind of all hunched over and just looking elderly, and then you're thinking that guy's probably like 60 or something, so it was just like that it was just I had hobbies. I always had hobbies, but it just seems like you never had enough time to do really what you really wanted to do.
Speaker 2:So tell our listeners how old were you when you retired and moved down here.
Speaker 1:I was 55.
Speaker 2:55.
Speaker 1:That's pretty early, yeah it is, that's young, it is actually very young.
Speaker 2:I think you see a lot of people down here who are even younger than that, but that's because they're like first responders or worked for police departments or military and stuff and they retire early and get a pension early. So that's either that. Then there's kind of a group that are kind of your age and my age that are down here who have had the same feeling that you did and wanted to get to it, and then you see a lot of older people that are traditional retirement age Exactly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we have everybody. It's really nice.
Speaker 2:So what inspired you? To retire, then, seeing these people and not wanting to be one of them.
Speaker 1:Well, that's part of it, I would say. I think it's always been in me that I just hated work. I like to do things that I, rick, like to do and I always felt that work got in the way, and I'm sure there's a lot of people feel that way. But on the other side of that, I also know people that tell me I wouldn't know what to do if I didn't work. When I look at them, what does it doesn't compute with me. We started traveling outside the US, going to Mexico. We came here a few times in Dominican and just different places. I think we started like a lot of people here you watch House Hunters and then House. Hunters International. And then you start.
Speaker 2:Mexico Life. We watched every episode of that, I'm sure.
Speaker 1:That one beach bum, I don't know. It's some other beaches I think. You watch those and some of the questions like most people have is like how come I can't do that or why aren't I doing that? I think if you watch it enough you really start thinking that. I mean especially if you are kind of sick of with what you're doing right and you just want to try something different, and then it's just a different perspective.
Speaker 2:Right for us it was. We visited down here and we have a friend who lives in play del Carmen and she had moved here, I don't know in her 50s or something like that, and it dawned on me talking to her that hey, wait a minute, I could do this too. So and she was like in her 50s and it's, it's like for some reason that had never clicked in my brain that that's even a possibility.
Speaker 1:She must be rich or right, right, and she's not.
Speaker 2:You know she runs a little business there, but right. Oh, but yeah, that's what kind of got us going. First of all, you have to plant the seed in your mind that you can move, you know that's true and let me go on with that.
Speaker 1:I know the first couple times we we left the country and there's probably people that can relate to this like we didn't believe the resorts because you see so many things about you know, you know if you're an American or from another country, you're kind of scared, you know. But after doing it more, more often we realize, oh, this is, we need to get out more because there's just so much that you can do and see in all these locations and Shouldn't be hindered by just staying on their sartan saying I'm gonna be safe, because that's not the way to do this.
Speaker 3:We've been punching that clock, working nine to five, for two weeks now in a row, having done anything fun since well, I don't know. We finally have a few days off and know where we gotta be, so why don't we hop in that July beer of ours and go see what's out there to see? So pack the bags. We're going on the road trip, just you and I.
Speaker 2:So I'm here with Rick Riling, one of my friends and neighbors from here in Akamal Mexico. Tell me, rick, how you decided to make a move to a foreign country.
Speaker 1:Well, as I said a little earlier, I mean you do watch a lot of house hunters and that kind of thing and realize, well, they're doing it and I can do that too. But you know the United States where I'm from. It's just to me it's very stressful nowadays and the prices of everything has gone up and it's just so expensive. We lived in a really large home and we don't have kids. And and it got to the point that you know, my girlfriend being one side of the house and I'd be on the other end, we would start we what's up each other instead of just say it.
Speaker 2:Hey, you know when do you want to go for dinner. For us it was upstairs and downstairs but yeah, we had that same thing going.
Speaker 1:So with that we decided to downsize and I started doing that. I've been here about Four years now, maybe four and a half years, but even probably five years before that I started downsizing, and all that with. You know, just reading more about what it'd be like to live in a different country, and again watching house centers, we decided, well, let's just downsize to save money, which we did, and then we were traveling, probably once a year. We've been here to Mexico several times and we kind of realize, you know, we're not missing a whole lot when we're out in other countries. It's a little scary, yes, because it's new, but it's a heck of a lot cheaper. Really. We like it also because it's just a little bit more laid back, it's a little less stress-free for us, and I think that was it. You know. We just got looking into it more and it's like well, how can I make my retirement fund last longer and when can I go? Where I'm gonna kind of freeze a to death, you know, because I don't like to be cold, but some people do obviously.
Speaker 2:Just things like that. So, in your view, what are some of the most important things people should think about before making a move?
Speaker 1:One thing that I know, I've heard and I know you've heard from people is that there are basically two kinds of people that come here. There there's people that can accept that life is a little different and more laid-back, and then there's another group, a smaller group really, that they kind of like, when they want something, when it now, if I'm going to have an appointment, it's got to happen, right then which which does not fit with Mexican culture and sensibilities at all, exactly and if you can get past that, you know it's just one of those things. It's just a different way of life and, like anything, if, if you're put in new situation, you got to give it time. The other Some of the other things is just the cost of living is a big one, I mean for a lot of people. It's it's different, it's less stress, I think.
Speaker 2:Absolutely it's not having a job is less stress, really for me.
Speaker 1:Well, I can tell you this that you know, since I've lived here, I've actually For several different reasons, but I'm no longer on blood pressure medication. Yeah, you know, so which you knew about. Um so that's a good thing. So it just kind of shows your stress level. And as I'm speaking of that, I can tell you that when I lived in the US and before coming here, I don't think I realized how stressed I was in my life, mm-hmm, and now I can tell you, looking back on it, that, wow, I really, I really was, you know. So that was a big, a big factor. I think that it's just less stress. That's gonna pin depend on where you go, of course, but for here in Mexico.
Speaker 2:I agree with that too. Now that I think about it is I was probably more stressed than I Thought I was at the time. Part of it was we moved down here in the middle of the pandemic.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:And it was just weird. Working was just weird. Then you know, everything was remote in the whole bit but yeah, there was a lot of stress involved in that, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:But yeah, you're right, you lose a lot of stress when you come down here. I believe, yeah, it's just a part of being here and part of the atmosphere of being here Totally. So were there any unexpected things that maybe surprised you during and after your move?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we could talk about this a lot actually, and one of the positive things really is that you can get anything you need here. I mean, it's always like you, typically, when you watch something on TV, you know they always tend to make it like it's different than what it is, like you know. But here you can get anything you need if you really need it. I mean, amazon works just as well here as it does in the US, so, and we get packages, you know, I'm going to say three times a week at least it comes really, really quickly, so we don't have that as an issue. The people are super friendly. The crime, I think for me that is extremely huge. You know, in the US, as we're speaking, there's probably I think I'm exaggerating, but I don't think I am. I'm going to say 10 shootings in the last minute.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And I've been here four and a half years and I know of maybe four, yeah, and again you could say, well, it's not, the news isn't as big here, or something like that. But we would know because we're reliving here on this side of Mexico, you know, we would know people talk, but seriously, the crime right here is is ridiculously low. Yeah, I mean, I'm not. I'm more afraid to look at somebody at a stoplight in the US than I am to do pretty much anything here. It just doesn't. Here Now, that's not to say in Mexico City or some places like that, it might be, but here where we live, in Katana Roo, the biggest factor might be somebody trying to scam you, right?
Speaker 2:It's interesting because when I was getting ready, when we were getting ready to move down here, there's so many people that we would say, yeah, we're moving to Mexico, and they would give you this look like oh my God, you're going to get don't. aren't you afraid you're going to get murdered? I know that, look, and it's like you know it kind of. I mean, it honestly made me think a little bit of my doing something really stupid here. But after being here for two and a half going on three years now I feel the exact same way. I've never felt safer.
Speaker 1:No, exactly, I not a, not a fear in the world. Seriously, it's just like I said, the scam thing, but really isn't even that prevalent. It's it's, if you kind of know what to look for, not a big deal, it's really not, and so that's it, I mean. Some of the other things you asked me about, though, is like you know, water here is not as what's the word I want to use on. You know, in the US, you just take it out of the faucet. Yeah right, it's fine.
Speaker 2:The potable it's it's. You have to purchase potable water? Yeah, we do, but it's not a big deal, yeah you know it's delivered right to our door and it's like extremely. I forget what it is like 40 pesos.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's like two dollars.
Speaker 1:So, but everybody had. We, in my particular situation, we have a water software and a reverse osmosis and it's all good. And you know, as far as food goes, I mean you know this could be anywhere, but you know you don't have the the what's the word? I want the health inspectors all the time, like in the US like you know. I worked at a bar once and they always came in and make sure of things. you don't really see that much here, but you know word of mouth tells you, you know you're not going to go to this place.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:But like anywhere, if you see 50 people outside of some place, it's okay, right.
Speaker 2:And I always look for that. Where are the locals? What restaurant are the locals stacking up outside of every night? That's the place to eat. You know, it's because a it's cheap and B it's good.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, you know, we eat all the time. So, yeah, it's not a problem at all, but, um, yeah, that's about probably the biggest things. Um, I have no complaints.
Speaker 2:So you know right. So one of the things that a lot of new retirees struggle with after the honeymoon stage of the retirement, that's when you come down and you go to the pool every day and you, you know, you buy yourself a 12 pack of beer and go to the pool and and, uh, you do that for one day and then you do it for a week, and then you do it for two weeks and eventually you know it's like okay, I need to find some sort of purpose in life. Uh, what was that the case for you?
Speaker 1:Uh, not at all. I've always been a person who's had hobbies, you know, and I always say work, gotten away of what I really want to do. Um, it's kind of funny You're talking about the pool because on the way over, um, I saw my neighbors and they said, uh. I said, what are you doing? And they said, well, we was going to go to the pool, but, uh, a little cool, and I was like I kind of laughed because I know, when I first got here, uh, four, four and a half years ago, it didn't matter what the temperature was, it was like dang it.
Speaker 2:I retired, I'm going to the pool Right and as you say go to the pool every day.
Speaker 1:Um but now, you know, it does get a little bit cooler here. I think today it's like what 75?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we call that cold. We call that cold In South Dakota, we call that a perfect spring day, you know exactly.
Speaker 1:So I was like no, you know, I've been here long enough that. No, I'll wait till it warms up a bit. Um, but as far as finding things to do for me, not a problem. I've always been into um photography, not very good at it, um, and playing music. I've played guitar now for probably um almost 60. So probably 45 years, okay, somewhere in there. So, um, you know I can. For me, I'm the type of person I could watch paint dry and be happier than working.
Speaker 2:As long as you have a guitar and an amp in us, it's been a camera. Yeah, exactly right.
Speaker 1:So, um, what I did was I got here and I, um, I always liked photography, but I never really had time to really understand it and I'm still not saying I'm perfect at it by any means at all Um, but what I did the first for the homeless the whole year I got here, I watched a lot of YouTube and red stuff. I just every day I said I'm going to ask myself a question like about aperture or whatever, and I'd watch videos on it every single day. And luckily, where we live, you know, the jungle is right there. I'm looking at right where I'm sitting here Um, you know, there was lots of animals here, so I got to go out and practice, but I was learning every day, Um, and I just I love animals and wildlife anyway, so for me it's, it was wonderful. Um, as far as music goes, I mean, I've always played. So for me, if I don't at least touch a guitar once a day, it's, it's weird for me, Um, and I was.
Speaker 3:I and.
Speaker 1:I got, I met a guy in the pool, um, and he gave me a guitar and he goes I like your, the music you're playing on my speaker there, um, and we got talking and he happens to be a drummer. So shortly after he moved here um, I said hey, you want to start a classic rock band, and so we did so. We've been, you know, in a band now for about two years or so, um, playing about least weekly. So again, um, now I got things to do, um, there are people I know here that really like their foodie. And so the one guy who unfortunately passed away, he he was. He would go out every week and I I'm not sure if he you know what I'm talking about. I don't know if he wrote anything about it, but I always encouraged him to, because he was him and some other people were going out at least weekly and finding these different spots. Um, because there's there's a lot of places.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, there's. You know, if you look on, like TripAdvisor, within a a reasonable drive of here there are there's literally several thousand restaurants between Playa del Carmen to loom and everywhere in between.
Speaker 1:It's crazy. Or if you, you know, if you're a person who just wants to donate their time I mean you yourself you do the rotary club correct. So you're doing that and your wife is working with.
Speaker 2:She just just left the place here a little bit ago to go to uh the, uh, the biblioteca, that's the library and they have an after school program and she goes to that To work with the little kids, yeah, and you know, if you like to dive, it's just it's endless.
Speaker 1:Really, it's like whatever little thing you've had in the back of your mind that you've said to yourself man, I wish I had time to do this, or I'd like to know more about that. Now is your time.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, um, there's nothing holding you back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Um.
Speaker 1:I always think of.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't know. I remember this from some class, I took it one time there's what's called Maslow's hierarchy of needs and it starts with, you know, the first, to shelter and food and sustain yourself, and the level goes up and the top one is self-actualization. Yeah, and it's almost like when you retire and you don't have anything pressing to do or you're free to find that self-actualization, I think.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree 100%. Yeah, I think, uh, yeah, like I know there are people, as I mentioned earlier, um in the program, that they have a hard time not working and I think it's. You know, it's that sense of purpose and just, and I I do know these people. I've met some here and I'm not sure they're still here. But if you give yourself time and people are very friendly here, um, in Katana Roo and Akamal area, where we live, if you just get talking to people, you're going to be inspired to do something. You know, I used to think in my head that older people, you know retirees, kind of don't do a whole lot, but absolutely not true. I know people here that are almost 80 and they still go jump off the sides into sonotes and they're always cleaning the water.
Speaker 2:So that is, it's a very active group here, and even even yeah, even the oldest amongst us, uh, are very, very active.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. So, yeah, don't let, don't have that in your head, because seriously, I mean, whatever it is you think you might want to do or try, you can do it here. And also, if you like to travel I mean the airports are fairly close here, I think. Cancun from here is about an hour and 20 minutes, and the new Tulum one just the same distance the other way yeah. So if you're you know, we know you and I know, several people here that like to travel abroad and they go a lot. I mean, they go so much this often, so it's like, oh, you're here.
Speaker 2:We feel that way. We've traveled a lot within Mexico because flights are 50, 75, 80, 80, 80, 80, 80, 80, 75 dollars round trip to these wonderful cities in Mexico. You know right. I mean it's like you don't spend any more money than if you would have stayed home that weekend.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, you know, and, and some of the places in Mexico I mean they're, they're not that far to drive. And touching on what I did earlier, you know, years ago I would have been afraid to jump in a car and just drive, you know, to Nick's big city over or something, but that I don't have that fear.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that fear kind of dissipates. Once you fear of the culture and you know what it's like to maneuver, you know amongst, amongst, everywhere in Mexico. Kind of dissipates after a while, after you've been here.
Speaker 1:In fact, let me just kind of make something funny. The people are so nice in this area anyway that like sometimes if you're walking on the street and you can't quite tell if a place is a restaurant or not, because sometimes they don't have like the big billboards like you might see in the US, and so if you accidentally kind of walked in somebody's living room thinking it was a place to eat, they would just sit you down and serve you like it's no big deal, that's more often than not that's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2:They'll ask you what you want and they'll serve it to you. Welcome back. I'm here with Rick Reiling, one of my friends and neighbors, and we're talking about self-actualization or finding a purpose in retirement. One of the things that drew me to Rick originally was I had seen on social media he had all these wonderful photographs of the jungle animals and things that you see around here, of this great wildlife photography. Tell me about that, rick.
Speaker 1:As I said earlier, I really kind of got into it when I moved here. Just always interested me and obviously I live right here in the jungle so there's a lot of animals that take pictures of. So I just started going out every day and taking photos and I at the same time I had to kind of teach myself lightroom, adobe Lightroom and Photoshop, so I really threw myself into that. I mean I still have some learning to go, but I still. It's something I work with almost days. You know it's, it's great. I mean I love it, absolutely love it. I it's one of my favorite things to do here. I just love going out and trying to take pictures with something and getting home and well, there's two things that happen you think it was a great shot and you get home.
Speaker 2:You, oh boy, not good at all well, the, the, the ones that I've seen, the ones that you put out there and you have very high standards, but they are absolutely spectacular. Where can people see these?
Speaker 1:well, I created a website with Wix not Rick's but Wix, but it's. It's actually ricks dot photos. Okay, there's no dot com on that, it's just ricks RICS dot photos. Okay, it'll take you to that, but I'm not sure how much longer I'm going to keep that one, simply because I started uploading photos to Fine Art America okay so if you were to go to fineartamericacom and you look up my name, if you want to do that, it's Rick Riling R E I L I N G. Okay, and then my portfolio will pop up and on there you can see some of the photos. You can get them put on almost anything you know. Get them framed or or in canvases or t-shirts or shower curtains, like if somebody wants a Rick shower curtain. That's weird, but coffee mugs, you know everything so it's kind of cool yeah very cool.
Speaker 2:Hopefully it's a little retirement income for you too. I hope so well. We will put a link to that on our Facebook page. Xpats like us on Facebook, search for that and well, and maybe we'll put a few sample photo. Do you have a favorite photograph?
Speaker 1:oh gosh. Um, yeah, I do have a couple. It's maybe not the best quality anymore, but it was one that I saw a green heron I snuck up on it and they're pretty skittish birds and it grabbed a dragonfly right out of the air, right in front of me, and I was standing there. This was this was several years ago now and I remember just staying there, go like I can't believe I'm able to get pictures and of course, I didn't know idea if I was had the right settings or whatever. And I got home and I was lucky enough that it turned out pretty good. You know, nice and as people, my friends like me to tell the story is that even though the bird had the dragonfly for quite a while, the dragonfly actually got away and lived.
Speaker 2:Oh, which is so. There was a happy ending to the story for me.
Speaker 1:Not the green heron, right? Yeah, I do like that one. That's okay, one of the ones I will very cool.
Speaker 2:We'll pull, we'll feature those on our Facebook page. Xpats like us on Facebook and so from your experience, do you have like a couple top three tips for people thinking of maybe making the move to become an expat, at least here in Mexico?
Speaker 1:maybe one is just, if it's an interest yours, don't be afraid to do it, you can there. There was so much information out there. If you just go online and just you know, don't read just one article, but read several about traveling or living in a destination that you're, you're thinking about whether it be some of the big ones, as you know, bob, our Mexico and Panama, the Dominican and maybe Virgin Islands but, you know there are several destinations. Go there, definitely go there. One of the biggest tips I could give you is Try not to go to the resort and and call that the end of the day. What we started doing later was Going to places and renting a condo and actually had. I think you did this as well, you live like a local, as you say, and you know. Get out and go to the stores, go shopping, do all the things that you would normally do in the US or wherever you were from, and to know what that is really like. I think that is extremely important. Yeah because you you get a better sense of what it is really going to be like and what it costs in and you have to talk to people. Talk to the other expats because they've been here before you. They've done it, whether it be car insurance or yeah our HOA fees doctors and yeah.
Speaker 2:Dentists and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:That's a very good one and I know we need to wrap up, but let me just say that health care, look into that, but here in Mexico it's great.
Speaker 2:It's fabulous for our experience too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so yeah, just don't be afraid. You know, for us, here's how we ended up doing it. To cut this really shortly, we decided we were going to sell our home, get a smaller house and then have one here, a condo here, mm-hmm. Towards the end we decided, you know what, let's just move to Mexico, and if we don't like it, we can always move back. And I've been here four and a half years and I can tell you very truthfully, I have no desire to ever go back and live in the United States. So Wise words from Rick.
Speaker 2:Very good. Thank you, rick Riling, for joining us today, and I will probably see you at the pool one of these days, because we still do that, you know. We just it's too cold. Don't do it all day, every day, all right. Thanks, rick Riling, for being with us today.
Speaker 1:Thank you, Bob.
Speaker 2:In each episode of expats like us, we're gonna teach you a new Mexican slang word. This is something you may not find in your phrase book or your online Spanish class or your Spanish app or wherever you're learning your Spanish. Instead, this is a term used primarily by Mexican Spanish speakers. Today's word is Chingon Chingon that's the voice of Erica Kowalski, who is behind me, vita Margarita, the blog, the online blog, and they are a co-producer on this podcast expats like us. So anyway, the word Chingon what tell us what Chingon means? It's basically badass, badass, badass. So use it in a sentence.
Speaker 3:Tu perrito está chingon. Your dog is a badass.
Speaker 2:Okay, very cool. Chingon means badass, so learn it, use it. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1:Erica, thank you.
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Speaker 3:So why don't we hop in that July be of ours and go see what's out there to see? So pack the bags. We're going on the road trip, just you and I, all weekend to have a good time. There's a full tank of gasoline and our favorite playlist full of heads. So let's push, play, put it in driving road trip. First stop we should try that cafe, the one everyone's talking about. I'm gonna go up until we can't feel our feet, then go and lay down Somewhere. Nice to watch that sunset settle in under the street. You.
